Not exactly in line with this subreddits rules so mods feel free remove just interested in what those on this subreddit think. Germany surrendered in 1945. Bookkeeper of Auschwitz Oskar Groening, 96, declared fit for prison. I am gonna go through and try to find some of the better comments in thread and post them here. What was the tipping point? You could for example, hate him because hes a billionaire and he made a lot of money on peoples suffering and then uses it to fund a lot of neoliberal "democracy" projects around the world that will in turn cause more suffering. Similarly in the view of the public who's world view is shaped by the tabloids (Daily Mail), he would have been 'rehabilitated' despite serving a minuscule sentence in comparison to his crimes. He decided to master that game, which meant he couldn't think about how the money was made. It's an interesting question. March 12, 2018, 8:18 PM UTC / Updated March 12, 2018, 8:18 PM UTC Oskar Groening, the Auschwitz bookkeeper who was convicted at age 94 after a Munich court cleared the way for the prosecution of low-ranking officials accused of indirectly committing Nazi war crimes, has died. r/Accounting: Primarily for accountants and aspiring accountants to learn about and discuss their career choice. A powerful contingent on the Far Right and US Christian Fundamentalism want to establish something like a fundamentalist theocracy/authoritarian military regime in the US. 87% Upvoted. "This is George Soros; remember this the next time you hear a conservative being called 'uneducated'". I was a monster. Just out of raw curiosity, because its hard to find a good answer, why do people specifically hate george soros? Whether it has fully subverted the mainstream political process will be made clear in November. He’s actually older than his official records. If you want to learn about this, please read the book Dark Money by Jane Mayer. [5]:140–141 Without his father's knowledge, he did so in 1940[6] at a hotel where the SS was recruiting. Groening going to prison was a bad thing. Advice and questions welcome. The wehrmacht was just following orders, the bookkeepers were just "running accounting books" (of the money stolen from interned Jews I might add). ELI5:Why is Oskar Groening a 94-year-old former bookkeeper & guard at Auschwitz Birkenau guilty of 300000 counts of accessory to murder in WWII But Bush Sr , Bush Jr Bill Clintion & Obama are not prosecuted for Iraq & Afghanistan wars they ordered that killed millions of innocent people ? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I don't think it is right, but that is the game that our society allows them to play. The … Better that we have him talking about the horrors of the Holocaust on the outside to BTFO deniers at this point. Dying before prison has left him a despicable Nazi who was never punished for his crimes, and given that he would never have served a sentence long enough to even begin to punish him, I think this is better than the two years in prison sympathetic 'reformed Nazi' image he would have cut. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. It's scary to think about. However in any case Biden is not going to support the level of radical change we need to ensure our near-term survival in the face of catastrophic species loss and accelerating climate change. He died March 9, Der Spiegel magazine reported Monday. Could it be that they imprisoned a 95 year-old for actions he did a whole lifetime ago and confessed to for the betterment of society?”. They support think tanks and intellectuals like Charles Murray, author of The Bell Curve, who provide intellectual cover for attacks on social services. I don't know why I feel sorry for him after all that. This Post - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, removeddit.com, archive.is, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the ShitWehraboosSay community, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. It should be noted that the term they gave him was nearly as low as they could go. In November, a federal court rejected his appeal . Oskar Groening, a former Nazi SS officer who is often referred to as the "bookkeeper of Auschwitz," admitted his guilt Wednesday during a trial in Lueneburg, Germany, in which he is charged with 300,000 counts of accessory to murder. The idiot who made the meme can’t even idiot correctly. Oskar Groening: Former Nazi SS guard at Auschwitz appeals against sentence 'because prison would violate his right to life'. Most billionaires throw their money at neutral or conservative causes, I think Soros every once in a while throws his at an ever so slightly progressive one and several liberal ones.... Also he's Jewish. I saw this in TIL and refuted two posts people had made with sources and was downvoted. He was likely the last surviving Nazi war criminal to face trial. In threads like this, comments starting "To be fair" are virtually guaranteed 'booism or exculpatory arguments for why war criminals weren't really bad guys. If I had it my way this Kraut fuck would be hanged in Auschwitz. People generally don't have a good grasp of history. It's meant he's died in relative (according to the general public) obscurity. You don't need to be in the White Roses to know that what was happening was wrong. That's the problem, nobody felt directly responsible. So if he toured the country trying to educate people on the horrors of the holocaust while having participated in it himself, shouldn't he have been happy to go to prison then? But the thing (that the Constitutional Court also touched on) is that every prisoner must have the theoretical chance of getting released again. Nice. Question is, what was he accounting and where. From Oskar Gröning's wikipedia page (literally the article the OP linked to): Gröning wanted to join an elite army unit and set his sights on joining the Schutzstaffel. It is not like there weren’t many of them or anything. Oskar Groening, known as the "bookkeeper of Auschwitz", was sentenced to four years in prison in 2015 for being an accessory to murder at Auschwitz. Context matters, but people tend to disregard it when it comes to the Holocaust. Oskar Groening did not kill anyone himself while working at the Auschwitz death camp, but is convicted of being an accessory to the murder of 300,000 people in 1944. Oskar Groening, 93, will be tried on "accessory to murder" charges in 300,000 cases of deported Hungarian Jews who were sent to the gas chambers, and faces up to 15 years jail. Now we are facing near-term ecological collapse because of this 40 year campaign engineered by energy companies and Right Wing tycoons. Trump represents the political victory of the Dark Money crowd. Plenty of people peacefully resisted without joining any specific organizations. Former SS officer Oskar Groening, dubbed the "bookkeeper of Auschwitz", asked for "forgiveness" over his role in mass murder at the Nazi death camp, as his German trial began today. A court in the northern city of Lueneburg, which has been hearing the case since April, is to read out its judgement on 94 year old Oskar Groening from 0730 GMT. After all, if one plans on dominating the world, one must start young. I really wish redditors would stop using this myth to lessen fucking war crimes. The kind of manipulation that Soros is being accused of, by the way, is exactly what a cabal of Far Right billionaires have been doing for decades. I'm sure there were a BUNCH of Hungarian children chomping at the bit to join a war that had been a foregone conclusion for about 3 1/2 years at that point. In fact why didn't he report himself right away after this encounter? Gates, Clinton, Soros, it's a bit of a roulette wheel of where the conspiracy theories fall, but being jewish definitely helps. Reddit; Email; AP. report. Well, he took Soros with him frequently on these audits, either to train him or keep up the appearance of him not being a jew. The option was to do his job or wind up as a prisoner next to them. You do know all Germans didn't have a choice. Depends on who hates him. Published. hide. There are tons of billionaires all heavily lobbying the government and throwing their money for influence. Since he was only sentenced for "aiding" (§ 27 StGB), the lowest possible sentence would have been three years (§ 49 (1) 1 StGB). *Kind of a bad translation here, the original calls § 211 Mord, while § 212 is called Totschlag (~Manslaughter). He funds infrastructure that helps advance the civil rights movement. etc. He should have stood up before the court and said "Yes. Or some equally ridiculous bullshit. Oskar Groening, the 93-year-old dubbed the "accountant of Auschwitz," will go on trial in April to face charges that he was an accessory to 300,000 murders as a Nazi death camp guard. The government uses that money for countless evils. When Soros was 10 he was already in control of Nazi Germany using Hitler as a puppet and scapegoat and embedding agents in the US and he and Hillary rule the world and are simply releasing coronavirus from their Clinton Foundation labs out of Wuhan to make Trump look bad. Rather than distancing himself from the man he was at auschwitz and acting like that man was a different person, he needed to own that man and accept that he too was a perpetrator. A German court has … They claimed that he was guilty because he took a desk job at Auschwitz. I highly recommend it. He didn't pay migrant workers from Honduras to march to the US, as Fall of the Cabal states. The Lueneburg state court said Monday Groening's trial would open April 21, The Associated Press reported. Sort by. Oskar Groening, in what could be one of Germany's last big Holocaust trials, is accused of being an accessory to the murder of 300,000 people … However, he decided to publish his story after meeting a Holocaust denier, even though he was incriminating himself by doing so. Oskar Groening is known as the "bookkeeper of Auschwitz" for his job counting cash taken from the Nazi death camp's victims during World War Two. Plus with the state of Germany at the time Hitler took advantage of them at a weak state. From Oskar Gröning's wikipedia page (literally the article the OP linked to): Gröning wanted to join an elite army unit and set his sights on joining the Schutzstaffel. Yeah they always seem to want you to put yourselves in the shoes of the Wehrmacht/SS soldier, but they never say anything about putting themselves in the shoes of the millions of victims. This is how all sociopathic currency speculators etc operate. A big effort is underway to make Soros somehow responsible for the Floyd protests and the Black Lives Matter movement. Lord Soros has always been an overachiever. I'm sure you would of stood up against everyone once you got put into the accounting firm at Auschwitz. Not sure what it was specifically that pushed him into the limelight like he is now, but I have no doubt a large part of it is the fact that he's Jewish, Hes a jewish person and most right wing populists kinda flirt with nazism and believing it's the Jews who are the ruling class and they want to progress society and ruin traditional western values... pretty much all of it is bs but yeh. He is proof that even good people can get involved in bad situations. The only good Nazi named Oscar had a movie made about him by Spielberg. So in those final years he was given the test once more, and he failed again. As most of us know, it's just that, a myth. Oskar Groening was accused of being an accessory to the murder of at least 300,000 Jews at Auschwitz. Oskar Gröning was interviewed for the 2005 BBC documentary Auschwitz: the Nazi and the Final Solution. Because their attention has been distracted and their minds have been hacked by this propaganda machine, they do not focus their attention or anger on the proper targets - on what is actually happening. Call me naive or foolish if you must, but I believe almost anything, however terrible, can be atoned for and I do believe there was a genuine desire to atone on his part. Oskar Groening never saw the inside of a prison cell, despite being found guilty of being complicit in the deaths of 300,000 people. Ever notice that nobody says much about the victims? He was 96. Oskar Groening, the 94-year-old former Nazi officer and described “accountant of Auschwitz”, was convicted Wednesday of over 300,000 counts … He learned during his early life that markets operate impersonally, like machines. He was a moral failure so many times. He’s actually older than his official records. I think its good that he never made it to prison. Auschwitz survivor confronts former Nazi Oskar Groening at trial Auschwitz concentration camp survivor Eva Kor in the courtroom in Lueneburg, Germany on … R7: Plenty of people not only defending the Wehrmacht, but also defending the SS because "they didn't know what was happening to the Jews either". I confess I have some sympathy for him. Saying sorry and asking forgiveness isn't enough. That’s just the narrative the liberal left would have you believe. Someone is going to win at the game. My hope is that the current protest movement against police killing of black people grows into a collective and unified movement for deep systemic change in the United States, not just de-funding the police but also bringing about a redistribution of wealth and a renewal of democracy. Related: Accountant of Auschwitz' Oskar Groening Set to Stand Trial Germany has no statute of limitations for these Holocaust-related crimes. Which uh, if you know anything about marxism at all youd know how stupid that is. World; News ‘A small cog in the Nazi death machine’: Oskar Groening, 96, dies without serving sentence. I'd like to think I would be in the resistance with my now perspective, but would I? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The goal is to daze and distort the judgment of people who are not trained in analytic reasoning and are prey to being emotionally swayed. [5]:140–141 Without his father's knowledge, he did so in 1940[6] at a hotel where the SS was recruiting. However he funds many on-the-ground civil rights groups over the long term that spring into action when protests etc happen. I'd probably just be someone living his life unaffected by what is happening to 'those other people' or maybe even worse. I saw another SS soldier grab the baby by the legs. This friend was an auditor for the Nazis, basically going around and making sure everyone was being loyal. Yet while I feel disgusted with myself to say it because of what he did, I can't help but pity him and his failure to atone. The crying had bothered him. He confesses in quite a lot of detail during his time there, also mentions how he stole valuables off the victims and the steps he took to conceal his involvement in the Holocaust from the Allies. save. How did that defence turn out at Nuremberg again? In that respect, it is an essential requirement of proceedings in accordance with the rule of law that decisions concerning the deprivation of liberty be based on sufficient judicial investigation of the circumstances of the case and have a sufficient factual basis commensurate with the significance of the constitutional guarantee of liberty. Gotta love such tidbits as ‘most of reddit likes to think they would be white rose but they would not’ which is true since firstly reddit is full of Nazi sympathisers and secondly reddit has a lot of ‘degenerates’ like myself(commie) who would have been rounded up by the state before we could attempt to resist. I dont recall anyone hating him 10 years ago. Yes, he did attempt to transfer, but again that doesn't absolve him in anyway shape or form. Oskar Gröning: Former SS 'bookkeeper of Auschwitz' to start jail sentence after appeal fails The 96-year-old will soon start his four-year prison term for his role in the murders of 300,000 people. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Yea. Non-Germans serving as auxiliaries and refusing to carry out direct orders to kill could be subject to discipline, dismissal, imprisonment, or even death. However, once Soros made his money in this way, he chose to use a good deal of it to fund dissident movements and civil rights movements against authoritarian and racist regimes around the world, plus fighting against the Drug War which he rightfully identified as a Civil Rights issue. The punishment for murder is life (§ 211 StGB)*. He volunteered for the Waffen SS and worked at Auschwitz from 1942. That’s just the narrative the liberal left would have you believe. The $2 trillion bail out agreed to by Congress and Trump was yet another massive atrocity against the US population - another massive pay out to the wealthy at the expense of the common people. In light of the requirement that prison sentences be executed humanely convicted persons must, in principle, be given a realistic prospect of regaining freedom even if their guilt was found to be particularly serious. Oskar Groening, 93, will stand trial next spring for his role in maintaining the Auschwitz concentration camp in occupied Poland during World War II. Here is how I look at Soros: Soros was a Hungarian Jew forced to pretend to be Christian to survive the Nazi Holocaust. It's almost as if those "actions" were aiding in the fucking Holocaust. That's why life without parole was found to be unconstitutional, for example (violating the principle of human dignity as mandated by Art. TIL Running accounting books = murdering people. Oskar Groening was sentenced to four years in prison in 2015 for his role in the murder of 300,000 people at the Nazi death camp Auschwitz in … “Why don’t you trust the government, Hans?”, “Gee, I don’t know. Not a white supremacist, but I am certainly sick of your Jewry. Quite impressive considering how the SS only accepted ages 18 and up. Most nazis where not racist they where just following orders. Oskar Groening was convicted in July 2015 of aiding and abetting the murders of 300,000 people. Look into Betsy De Vos whose brother Eric Prince founded Blackwater (now Academi) the largest mercenary army in the world. How did he prove the generations of pure German heritage to join the SS as well? If he has that much supposed moral fibre after the fact he would find it necessary himself right? They developed disinformation tactics for the fossil fuel corporations which have tried to hide the impacts of climate change from the populace, by funding climate change deniers. Yep, so not only does paying taxes make you a Nazi, but so does buying Apple products. For example, they can't seem to grasp there was a BIG difference between the German Army and the SS. Or you could be an idiot who hates him because hes a jew and they think hes somehow spreading marxism. You are far more credible than the person who was actually there so I will trust you 100%. These are terrible productions, but they seem to be influencing people. If so, Georgie went up the ranks quick, especially for a Jewish Hungarian who was 15 by the end of wwii. IANAH. Oskar Gröning, 96, was sentenced to prison for his role in the murder of 300,000 people at Auschwitz death camp. What made conspiracy theorists specifically dogpile on this one? Yep, because paying taxes is the exact same thing as volunteering for a genocidal paramilitary organization led by fascist dictators who's expressed purpose is the complete and utter destruction of European Jewry, Disabled People, Gay People, Roma People, Slavic People, Latvian People, etc. The hunt and prosecution of Nazis involved in crimes against humanity should never end. Where was that moral fiber during the act? Generally on Reddit, when something like this comes up, there are legions of posters that jump up to excuse, minimize or deflect the actions of the German participants in WW2. He should have been happy to be punished, as you said. This comment is followed by this brilliant response: I'm sure many redditors believe they would have been active members of White Rose, despite all statistical evidence to the contrary. This is why they are using disinformation campaigns, misleading media, etc, to attack him. As I said before, I still wouldn't have joined the SS. Why not hold is all accountable? For crimes such as his, there are no halfways. Thus people now claim that he was an officer in the SS who hunted down jews and is secretly still working for Hitler... To help the jews overthrow the world. I am glad he is doing this and wish there were more billionaires acting in this way, even if they made their fortunes in ways I find questionable. From the US Holocaust Museum's website: Germans who refused to participate in atrocities were generally not punished, but risked peer, social, and sometimes professional exclusion or disadvantage. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. The film Mr Deep State is part of this negative propaganda campaign, as is the popular "Fall of the Cabal" series. Bookkeeper of Auschwitz Oskar Groening, 96, declared fit for prison. I'm glad you have first hand experience to tell us what the Nazi's did and did not force people to do. People keep linking to this comment, like it absolves Oskar of all responsibility: To be fair, he was an accountant who was transferred to Auschwitz without knowing it was an extermination camp; who sought, and was denied, a transfer to another bureaucratic position elsewhere after learning of its function; and who finally gained a transfer (to the frontlines, no less) towards the end of the war. IE 11 is not supported. He failed morally at the time, and he failed morally for 40 years. They could request other duties, such as guard duty or crowd control. Like he really had a choice. Jillian Kitchener reports. That's the difference here, Oskar Gröning went out of his way to join an organization that pledged total loyalty to Hitler and an organization that had already begun deporting Jews. For this reason the US Far Right hates him. Former SS guard Oskar Groening, center, leaves the court building after the first day of the trial against him in Lueneburg, northern Germany, on April 21, 2015. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Amerikkka never actually fought, it was a Hollywood Jew lie, Rolls Royce Merlin - Delivering Freedom one Vrrroom at a time. TIL of Oskar Gröning, a German soldier who worked at Auschwitz but was able to hide it for 40 years. The child was lying on the ramp, wrapped in rags. I deserve this." Even if he had been, would he not be just another conscripted child soldier? This myth appears a lot in this thread. A 94-year-old German man who worked as a bookkeeper at the Auschwitz death camp was convicted today of being an accessory to the murder of 300,000 people … Groening acknowledged complicity in … He smashed the baby's head against the iron side of a truck until it was silent. These are the kind of people we should be calling out publicly, day after day. From what I remember of the story, Soros's parents have him to a "friend" to protect him and hide him from the Camps. Considering he was sentenced for 300,000 cases, that seems like a very light term. When Soros was 10 he was already in control of Nazi Germany using Hitler as a puppet and scapegoat and embedding agents in the US and he and Hillary rule the world and are simply releasing coronavirus from their Clinton Foundation labs out of Wuhan to make Trump look bad. Wait, a child was in the SS? Oskar Groening, who was convicted as an accomplice to the deaths of over 300,000 Jews in Auschwitz, died in a hospital on March 12. 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